Wednesday, February 4, 2009

Session 2

The readings were very intriguing. I was particularly interested in virtual friendship and the online depression phenomena. Which lead me to wonder about people's experiences meeting in online communities. Online dating is very popular and you always see those great commercial were people are meeting their soul mate online. According to the readings people who email and connect online are prone to depression. This made me wonder about the experiences people have with meeting and dating in online communities. Are they all Prozac junkies longing for love ~or~ are they ravenously fabulous people with little time for socializing in the real world.


Question: Do people have better experiences meeting online or in real life?

To investigate this question I went to the LoveShack- interpersonal relationship center. What better place to get information on real life vs. online interaction than a dating forum.

Website: www.LoveShack.org
Username: JinxyVoodoo
Posting: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t178489/

I think the appeal of online dating is that it is easy and accessible. Galston talks about voluntary community in his article. He uses three defining conditions: low barriers to entry, low barriers to exit, and interpersonal relations shaped by mutual adjustment rather than hierarchical authority or coercion. The online dating community would definitely fit into Galston's definition of voluntary community. The sites are open to anyone, so there are no barriers to entry. Exiting is a snap; you can even block certain people from contacting you or viewing your profile if you no longer want to connect with that person. And relations are mutual...hopefully without coercion?!?

I believe I got honest feedback from people about their experiences meeting from online interactions and communities. People were happy to share their experiences and give advice. Stitch wrote, "I'm biased and I guess lucky as I've had a lot of success with online dating. I found my wonderful boyfriend on the first try." Lucky for Stitch! Ah, if only it were that simple for the rest of us. Some people get lucky on the first try and to them I say, take your happiness and go elsewhere, just kidding. Rebellious said, "I do much better in person. Online, women are mistrustful simply because they don't know you, but in person they drool, it's a no brainer." It's interesting to read different responses and to see that people can have polar opposite experiences. As for my own experience with the online dating community, I would agree with those who said it’s a 50/50 tossup. I have meet people with really great profiles who represent themselves in a certain way, but turn out to be completely different. Albrechtslund’s article talked about the act of participating in an online community being “the act of sharing yourself – or your constructed identity – with others.” The truth is you are never meeting the real person; you are meeting their “representative.” Who you claim to be online rarely translates well when you actually meet the person and are expecting lots of chemistry. Andrewrost3241981 shared an online experience, “I once met a girl on the Internet who just turned out to be a scam artist.” See, ya just never know. It’s certainly a tossup.

LaRose's article mentioned the dangers of the online community disrupting real world ties and creating a lonely crowd. This is obviously not the case for "Stitch" who responded to my post by saying, "My boyfriend has Aspergers Syndrome, so he finds social situations fairly awkward. So going out and trying to meet people in real life was a little more complicated for him. “I think the online communities are bringing lonely people together. It’s unlikely that Stitch would have found such a great person in real life and if it did happen, it would have taken a lot more time, effort, and overcoming personal comfort zones.

Licklider and Taylor suggested that “life will be happier for the on-line individual because the people with whom one interacts most strongly will be selected more by commonality of interests and goals than by accidents of proximity.” This is very true of online dating and interactions. There are different types of dating sites for people who want to connect on a common interest. I have seen dating sites based on religion, sexual preference, and even a site for people with physical disabilities. Previously proximity was the main factor in finding a mate. Now with the online dating option people can search the world for their perfect partner. I had a friend from a book group move to Australia because she met THE ONE...apparently he was worth moving across the globe for.

According to Linton's article, "...social media do present an underexplored dimension in human relations..."We are connecting two people largely through text. Text is an impoverished medium for communicating emotion, intent, real meaning." It can be difficult to represent and express your personality in an online community. I was communicating with a potential date online and was getting really short emails. I figured this person was very quiet, but they turned out to be a nonstop talker at dinner. I got a posting from “Fishtaco" who said, “It seems to me it requires a different set of skills in order to meet people online. So if you do the online thing, not only do you need to learn how to project a winning persona through some text and pictures, you also need to learn how to do the same in person as well. I mean it's not uncommon to have people finally meet in person after interacting online for a while, only to have it fizzle.” It’s easy to add pizzazz to someone’s emailed responses and then when you meet, they have a monotone voice like the Clear Eye commercial guy.

In Rosen’s article it was mentioned that "In the offline world, communities typically are responsible for enforcing norms of privacy and general etiquette. In the online world, which is unfettered by the boundaries of real-world communities, new etiquette challenges abound. "I myself can vouch for this new etiquette being a challenge, especially in the online dating community. People in online communities often forget themselves and take on a bold expression of exhibitionism. The sense of detachment and anonymity makes rejection a non issue. I've gotten many a surprising picture confirming that my potential date is a natural blonde! That’s not real world dating etiquette at all.

It was great to get a broad and diverse set of responses by posting in an online community. If I were to talk in person, it would be a small group made up of married family members who all met through real life interactions before the internet and a small group of girl friends whom I usually swap lowered expectation stories with. By posting online, I got quick responses, a diverse group, and a wide range of experiences that I would not be available to me in real life. I think there is a wealth of information available in online communities. It’s a great place to ask questions that you may not be comfortable asking the people in your real life world.


Reaction to the readings:


Galston
Galston’s article talked about communities being “what members of groups have in common, not the nature of the communication among them.” I think a community is a place where you can voice your opinion, feel a sense of belonging, and have interaction with people of your choosing. Sometimes online communities can serve one’s needs better than real life communities. There may not be enough people in your area with the same interest to form a group. According to one of the examples of community, “Jews in the diaspora would constitute a community, even if the majority never meet one another face to face.” This seems counter intuitive to me, even though I understand the concept. I would define the “Jews in the diaspora” as a group rather than a community. I see the group as the larger scale and community on a smaller scale.

LaRose
LaRoses’ article talks about the link between internet use and depression. “In support of the Internet paradox hypothesis, other scholars have warned about the potential harmful effects of online interpersonal communication, blaming online technology for disrupting real world networks (Heim, 1993; Stoll, 1995) and creating a "lonely crowd" in cyberspace.” I disagree. I think that real world networks will remain intact if people want them too. I still see my grandma even though I email her. People will continue to have real world connections with those they are close to and they may just be using email to keep the rest at arm’s length. Ahem, if I only email you, then take the hint. I also disagree that the internet is creating a lonely crowd. It may seem that way, but I think it is actually a place for people who would have been forever lonely to meet others. The lonely crowd was always there, just unknown. Shy people can meet other shy people online. Slowly get to know people at their own comfort level before getting involved.

Linton
This article was almost shocking as I was reading about the events of the bipolar mom. I recognized the posting as the mother asking for support and attention instead of seeing the statement as an actual threat. I understand the social responsibility people felt for the safety of the child, but I think the real needs of the mother were ignored and unmet. It would have been more socially responsible for people to respond on two accounts both for the safety of the child AND for the wellbeing of the mother.

Rosen
I agree with Rosen that there is a big risk involved in putting too much personal information online. But it’s also a way to differentiate ourselves from the sea of profiles and other users, more information will get you more attention, and the more self revealing you are the more you draw a connection with other users and/ or your readers. I enjoy reading cooking blogs and relationship blogs. It’s more interesting when people add personal details it almost gives me a false sense that I know and relate to this person.

8 comments:

  1. I had never thought of joining an online dating site for this but what a brilliant idea. What an interesting study to relate this to the readings this week. I'm not sure what to make of those sites to be honest. I feel like it could be a mixed bag which you seemed to find. People can have great experiences and then others might have awful ones. One of my good friends met her husband through an online dating site. Then again she also met a guy who turned out to be a psychopath. (Literally) If you take the Hague article in relation to online dating sites, I feel like creativity is fostered here. As you mentioned, you need to be adept at both meeting people online and then meeting them in person. If online dating sites fall under the category of the banality of business, then I think that Hague is definitely not seeing the same picture I am. The interplay between the real world and virtual world exchanges of couples would be interesting to study and see how they affected each other.

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  2. Your online interactions with the dating community members was very insightful! I'd like to go off on a little tangent from one of your points:

    The comment from "Stitch" concerning her autistic boyfriend was particularly interesting to me. Online communities are intriguing for special needs because the dominant interaction occurs with text. Autistic persons have difficulty expressing emotions and picking up on social cues. Since emotions have to be expressed explicitly through text in the online environment, it is likely extremely helpful to produce meaningful interactions. The person with special needs could present how they see themselves and who they are without complicating interaction with their disability.

    Communication can be the dominant barrier in real life situations for special needs. A young autistic girl I worked with could only communicate through PECS, small standardized pictures used in the special needs community to symbolize language. Because she is already familiar with textual/graphic interaction, why wouldn't online communities simply expand her network? Expression over Instant Messaging with the smile faces is extremely similar to expression of emotion with PECS.

    I came across this article by Scott M. Robertson discussing research being done for the autism and online communities. He's researching the possibilities for making the transition to post-secondary education more comfortable with online communities as a support group. The full text is available:
    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ielx5/4351306/4351307/04351365.pdf?arnumber=4351365

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  3. I agree, nice idea to explore a dating forum for this session. Re your take on the LaRose reading, while it's certainly possible for shy people to meet online, there's also the risk that the accelerated timeframe amplifies feelings of rejection and depression. Imagine checking your profile to see that it hasn't been viewed--or that it has, and you haven't gotten any messages. Whether the Internet eases or worsens depression in individual cases isn't as crucial as the fact that it sets up new expectation frameworks at the same time as new modes of interaction.

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  4. As a veteran of the online dating forum, I found your post very insightful. It's interesting to note that the general purpose of these sites is to eventually meet someone, which reinforces the idea that the online community can and does supplement and/or enhance real world relationships. While it was not a successful mode of developing a long-term relationship for me, I did meet a few people in person, some of whom I still communicate with. It was successful for several of my peers; the online dating forums gave them chances to meet people they may not ever have met relying solely on real-world networking. I also agree that this forum can definitely amplify feelings of rejection and depression. It's not just the accelerated timeframe, but also, going back to our readings, that text alone is a poor medium for assessing a person's true intentions and feelings. I do agree, however, that for those who have difficulty meeting and relating to people in the "real" world, these forums can help develop a relationship before the people do meet in person.

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  5. I found your posting on online dating interesting, and it highlights the key problem with the internet and most of its information - how do you know its true? This is brought out well, that in some cases it is and in others it is not. You also highlight how and individual can form the wrong interpretations of others based on their posting, such as the talkative individual who made short posts, was this because she didn't type well, or was it because she was manipulating her representation? Good Job.

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  6. Your post is really insightful. I am always curious about on-line dating and wondering how that could possibly work. You indeed answered lots of questons. I knew a person who lives in less populated area on the big island. He also works at home. He told me he met a girl online and convinced her to move to big island to marry him. I guess online dating created oppotunity for people who otherwise would never have met each other.

    The person with Asperger's Syndrome is also very relevant in online community. It seems we have more and more people with Asperger/Autistic traits today, helping them has become an ever-increasing need. People with Asperger's Syndrome tend to take things "literally" and unfit to communicate in person. But in online setting, we communicate mostly in text, they won't have any problem. They are allowed to take things "literally" there. Online community can really expand their life and enable them to live their life like everyone else.

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  7. Fascinating post on online dating. I was amazed at the level of openness in people's responses to your posting. I agree it can be a great place for more reticent and socially awkward people to meet other people of similar interests and experiences. However, Re your comments on Rosen, I think the emphasis on self-revealing and exhibitionism in online communities may pose a huge obstacle for shy people who normally don't like to be the center of attention and don't feel comfortable revealing much about themselves to strangers. And yet, self-revelation is the very thing needed to foster meaningful connections and reciprocity.

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  8. Your post on online dating is very interesting. Personally, I prefer offline meetings because it's easier to understand people's feelings. However, it's interesing to know how people find love on dating websites. Did they tell you some failed experiences? Is it possible users to provide fake profiles? How the websites handle personal information?

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